There will always be a few zealots who do, but from my knowledge, both Bushmills and Jamesons are enjoyed by people of both faiths. It was fine w me, because the Jameson Distillery tour was fantastic. During this period, when the Dublin whiskey distilleries were amongst the largest in the world, the family-run firms of John Power, along with John Jameson, William Jameson, and George Roe, (collectively known as the "Big Four") came to dominate the Irish distilling landscape, introducing several innovations. Currently sipping on a Writers Tears neat & have two types of Teeling, The Irishman single malt, The Irishman Founders Reserve, a 12 y/o Redbreast, a GreenSpot single pot, a Powers John Lane Release, a Middleton Barry Crockett Legacy, a 12 y/o Jameson Special Reserve, & a Green Spot still to try. I lived through this and lost people to it, and it saddens me to read this. As a good Roman Catholic, Ive always raised my Jameson in tribute to my Irish Catholic brethren (actually I like Jameson a little more than Bushmills anyway) until, on a recent trip to Ireland with my Irish-American Wife (nee Powers), I bought a bottle of Redbreast on a lark. I am not surprised that this thread is 6 years old and still going strong. You say What can one expect from people [Italians] who prefer grappa to the true Water of Life?, To continue the original theme of this thread religion IMO, grappa proves the existence of God. Ive never even seen a bottle of Paddys (although I havent really been making an exhaustive search). Id suggest Tullamore Dew, it was founded by Catholics and is still owned by a nice Irish Catholic company. So have a pint, pull, prayer, and lets party. His policies were considered heavily pro-Catholic. Michael Collins is a newcomer to the market place. It is true to say it is an almost exclusively Protestant village, but otherwise it is a quiet rural area on a picturesque coastline, visited annually by thousands of tourists from both side of the divide. @Eamonn: always good to hear from a Dubliner. I became a Whiskey drinker a few years back now, and started with Jameson. Dear sir, I know you did a bit onSangrita, but I was wondering if you have a good recipe for Sangria. I find it to be a littlethick? West Virginia is the only U.S state where you can legally handle venomous serpents to prove your faith. [8] After expansion, output at the distillery rose to 700,000 gallons per annum, and by the 1880s, had reached about 900,000 gallons per annum, at which point the distillery covered over six acres of central Dublin, and had a staff of about 300 people.[3][1]. Redbreast makes for good sipping but for my budget Powers is my standby. In my opinion, its one of the blandest, albeit smoothest, whiskeys Ive tasted. Catholics represented the unstable Republican persona and therefore the company hired few people from the catholic areas. In later years I looked more into my family history and came to realize that my Fathers family were local Baptists and my Mothers were Czech Catholics. Funny how these things work out, innit? Last I was in Ireland, about three weeks ago, I bought two bottles at a shop for 22 each. Jeffrey, isnt there an expiration date to such things? This article is based on a paper delivered at the American Catholic Historical Association conference The version that Im familiar with is, of course Jamison is Catholic and Bushmills is Protestant. In 1841, John Power, grandson of the founder was awarded a baronetcy, a hereditary title. It was one of the longest and most destructive conflicts in European history, resulting in millions of casualties. . Theres not catholic or protestant whiskey. The date of 1608 doesnt even specifically relate to that brand but that a license was granted in somewhere in that general area. Ive tried to correct his misinterpretation but he thinks his name is funnier. Car bombs, kidnappings, murders, protests, etc. Irish whiskeys obtain much of their flavor and color from the coating left inside the barrel from the bourbon aging process. It is a distinct and beautiful expression of the craft. For the record, despite the Scottish reformation, that doesnt mean Jamieson was a Proddy. No matter where it is produced. With regard to Powers Gold Label: I bought a bottle last week after reading about how decent a drink it was. Cured beef appeared in many cultures and has no clear beginning. Youd be hard to convince me it is 40 proof, much less 80. Palate Father Urban has succeeded as a business operator on behalf of his monastic . I also like Writers Tears, Bushmills and the Redbreast (12 more so than the 15). The 1608 license is not marketing shite, but did refer to the area of the town of Bushmills. Why even Arthur Guinness was a prod. I drink it often . Required fields are marked *. Why not stop purchasing rum to protest Spanish aggression while you are at it. I think Irish whiskey is like Scotch, meant for sipping, not mixing. OK, OK, can be pretty good and certainly much cheaper. You wouldnt really understand the depth of the situation. The spelling of whisk(e)y is actually a bit up in the air as far as that pesky e goes. So, I figured then maybe I was Protestant Irish? Powers' Morte d'Urban, for example, the novel may strike you as the slightly humorous failures of an all-too worldly priest. Powers Gold Label is also wonderful and dirt cheap. And if you just like something different then Cooleys your distillery (though that Michael Collins stuff is shite). I was told by one Irishman the RedBreast would change my life and another one told me that The Irishman Founders Reserve would do the same. Right now Redbreast, Bushmills 10yr Single malt ( drinking neat as I type), Jameson and Michael Collins Blend. Im sure there were dodgy discriminatory practices based on race or religion in most big corporations in many countries in the past. I serve it in Texas to my St. Patricks day guests and several times a year otherwise. I do live in a Hicktown. Just a point, Jameson is traditionally a Dublin Whiskey, originally distilled and blended in Bow Street in dublins Smithfield. There was still a lot of Catholics in Scotland. Also, show some class fellas (Burnsy calling me an idiot) my grandfather who is from Tipperary lost friends because of the Black and Tans (you know the English convicts the English government set upon the Irish), in some cases they were beaten to death!! My grandmother preferred Bushmills (on ice, with a large splash of water). I am not trying to be offensive here, but really, it is just so dumb. The word "catholic" means "all-embracing," and the Catholic Church sees itself as the only . Some, like Jameson, are owned by Catholic companies. For this reason, Bushmills has a bigger flavor, while Jameson has a much lighter flavor. Then I must be the luckiest Arab in all o Ireland!. This is quite common from what I hear, and yet another argument in opposition of politicizing these two whiskies. That was in fact untrue. I see. Enough said I thought, and bought the next round. I came to mention Powers- it seems my work is done. All of this is just silly, Ireland is totally united in the bottle. Bushmills is very proud of its long Irish heritage and yes its head distiller is catholic but if someone wants to boycott this whiskey, not for taste, but simply because it is situated in an area populated mainly by Protestants then they are the one with the problem. One of them said, My enemys enemy is my friend.. Funny. Bushmills didnt support the Black & Tans anymore than Jamesons supported the IRA! Regards, BTW, while traveling through a Protestant section of Belfast, our tour guide (who had a joke or good story for most Irish traditions) pointed out a notorious Loyalist BarThat bar there (the Hideout)was blown up many times by the IRA during the Troubles. Then he went on to say, If youre ever down and out and ready to end it all, and cash in your chips, go in that bar there and order a double Jameson, and youll find somebody in there to help you with your problem., There is no doubt that the Irish themselves know all about the Catholic Whiskey and the Protestant Whiskey. Jameson is the Catholic Whiskey, and Bushmills is the Protestant Whiskey., I met Noel Campbell owner of Bushmills he told me it does not matter what foot you you Wear your shoe on. Drink is one thing that unites Ireland it is shocking to see that some, primarily in the US, try to politicise it. Wonderful thread. Historically a single pot still whiskey, the flagship Powers Gold Label brand was the first Irish whiskey ever to be bottled. And to those who dont know, that hint of bourbon flavor comes from the fact that Jamesons is aged in used American bourbon barrels as are most Irish whiskeys. Ill take one next time Im out. [1] Historically, Powers Gold Label was the best-selling whiskey in Ireland. Whiskey hasnt got a religion. I think the Middleton hurt my wallet the most. Despised it. I can solve this argument. The other part is that Powers is for everyone else who just doesnt give a f**k. Drink what you drink and like what you like. Mostly only Catholics or the nonreligious drink here. All Irish whiskey is great. 1996 in coal harbour Vancouver BC. Not one of ya mentions Knappogue Castle. Im a Redbreast man first when feeling flush, but usually turn to Powers or the old John J when cash flow is normal. I am Northern Irish and really only see this being an Irish American issue. Believe in the Trinity of God. Sectarianism in Glasgow takes the form of long-standing religious and political sectarian rivalry between Catholics and Protestants.It is particularly reinforced by the fierce rivalry between Celtic F.C. [6] In 1855, his son Sir James Power, laid the foundation stone for the O'Connell Monument,[3] and in 1859 became High Sheriff of Dublin. Liquorice-like sherry notes Bushmills, in turn, supplies the Midleton Distillery with single malt, which they use to make Tullamore DEW. It was their house label Irish before it was readily available in the US. What can one expect from people who prefer grappa to the true Water of Life? In return, Bushmills receives grain whiskey from both Midleton & Cooley. This works in the same way that Protestants love their Guinness just as much as Roman Catholics in fact, I know a lot of Catholics who never drink the stuff. 17-18 years old found the love of my lifea catholic girl. Who do I believe, the man who raised me, or some drunk I met in a bar? As a proud Corkonian, I feel the need to set the record straight. Jamesons for sure. Turned out not to be such a controversy. ** TONIGHT!! If you are not an active Catholic or Protestant. Spent the rest of the week getting to know Irish whiskey & came home w/ small bottles of Irish Whiskeys I wasnt sure I could get in the US so I could continue my coyage of discovery at home. [2], In 1791 James Power, an innkeeper from Dublin, established a small distillery at his public house at 109 Thomas St., Dublin. Makes me want to get on a plane to Dublin immediately., Its like loving the smell of a sharpie or gasoline, in small way Kelsey Crenshaw. Delicious, soothing, contemplative. neither, Im a Jew. Utter nonsense. Whiskey is Irish, whatever brand (or religion), followed by Americans (as in bourbon whiskey etc.). While John Jameson was most likely a Protestant, his distillery in Dublin represented the Free State mentality and did not suffer from bigoted hiring practices. Your grandfather may have lost friends back in the early 20th century to the Black & Tans and im sorry to hear that, but guess what? Slainte. Then I spent another 20 minutes clicking around at random on your site, and then I ended up at this article, neatly explaining the first part of the joke. Very sweet (like the inside of a burnt marshmellow). Never been a fan of the Powers. But it was mentioned in passing at several rural pubs in co. Mayo and Sligo that Bushmills was loyalist swill, all in good fun Im sure but its not limited to plastic paddies. [1][2] A gold label adorned each bottle and it was from these that the whiskey got the name Powers Gold Label. And I obviously know alot about it being from Ireland and the horrific scenes of the troubles. It retails slightly cheaper than Jameson in the US, at $16 a bottle. I no longer consider myself Catholic, btw. I like Jamesons.andI like BushmillsandI like Tullamore Dew.and I dont care if theyre made by Indonesian monks that hate my mothertheyre just tasty. As for the religious differences, its always been easier for those not in the mess (in the US, England) to say and perpetuate things over that of those who have to suffer the views and manipulations of outsiders. As a bartender years ago in Chicago I was told When stocking your liquor on the back of the bar. [1] Irish Distillers owned the brand until its sale to Sazerac in 2016. You can see why I am confused. John Jameson was Pentecostal. All Irish whiskey is great. nant Protestant-oriented movement. Protestant whiskey is typically made in Northern Ireland, while Catholic whiskey is made in the Republic of Ireland. Never tried Redbreast for some reason. Currently, I go though a case of Jameson for every bottle of Bushmills that we sell at our bar. When Tug McGraw was interviewed after winning the world series in 1980, they asked him what he was going to spend his series winnings on. Big thank you to reader Jonathan for providing this informative link about this. Jesus, Mary and Joseph! Thanks again for this essay and the add-on comments. Were not bothered by any of that old bullshit now. [3][1] The distillery, which had an output of about 6,000 gallons in its first year of operation,[4] initially traded as James Power and Son, but by 1822 had become John Power & Son,[1] and had moved to a new premises at John's Lane, a side street off Thomas Street. Maybe they will bottle the Cork supply in Tullamore in the interim. It was a big hit with my fellow pilgrims. Hence, Bushmills is Protestant whiskey, which means by contrast Jameson, down in Cork County, must be Catholic. Delicious. Jameson was moved down to cork and is my distilled in Middleton, though I believe it is blended in Clondalkin, which is a Dublin suburb. Hes either the only Irishman who believes this or some in this thread are misinformed. I rag on about political whisky to those who are green only on the 17th and 18th of March.Hell, I even In a TALL glass.one shot of Hi, I actually know the reason behind the controversy. Im after trying many whiskies and Jamesons Gold is my current favourite, if a bit spendy. Counter-Reformation, also called Catholic Reformation or Catholic Revival, in the history of Christianity, the Roman Catholic efforts directed in the 16th and early 17th centuries both against the Protestant Reformation and toward internal renewal. Nuts. Tim, I made a great Manhattan variation last night with 2oz Powers Gold Label, 1oz Carpano Punt E Mes and a dash or two of Angostura (regular, not orange), stirred up with a cherry garnish and enjoyed it very much indeed. Come back if yer all so fucken proud. Whereas Bushmills is seen (by some) as British because it is located in Northern Ireland (which is part of the UK)and there is a political bias against it from some quarters. As the graph below shows, close to half the Irish American population is Protestant, while just one-third of Irish Americans are Catholic. When it comes to what crosses my lips I guess I am an agnostic. There is a rivalry, to be sure, but it is all about business, and not about religion. It is a fact that Bushmills is distilled in Northern Ireland, and Jameson hails from County Cork in the Republic. Soon after, in a bold move, Irish Distillers decided to close all of their existing distilleries, and to consolidate production at a new purpose-built facility in Midleton (the New Midleton Distillery) alongside their existing Old Midleton Distillery. The whiskey was originally produced in Tullamore, County Offaly, Ireland, at the . top off with chilled pulpy orange juice, AND stir lightly .. I tasted the Jamesons before I poured in any ginger ale & so glad I did, Irish whiskey is sooooo much better IMHO than Scotch or bourbon IMHO. I will be at Ninkasis B, Thanks for having me this morning to talk about ou, Last night someone was like oh wow I didnt t, HAHAHAHA Thank you @makersmark and @whisky_in_mai_, Thank you @traveloregon for having us on the start, Over the years, people have come to associate us w, We feel like most of you who have visited our litt, Ive always been one of those people who thought, http://www.winemag.com/Web-2013/2013-Spirit-of-the-Year-Bushmills/, Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 United States License, Another Figoli Quinn Website (Digital Ocean). There is neither protestant nor catholic whiskey available. I usually drink my whiskey neat but would anyone be able to recommend an Irish whiskey cocktail/mixed drink that doesnt included coffee or a green liquid? Powers is my number one as the every day Irish whiskey of choice. Funny thing is, Jeffrey, that at the end of your debunking of the myth, you subtly reassert its validity in rightly noting that Bushmills is owned by Diageo, a company based in a largely Protestant country, while Jameson is owned by Pernod-Ricard, which is based in a predominantly Catholic country. Have a good one. What is the lore and legend and reputation of Tullamore Dew? . Catholic fiction teaches us then how to better read the Bible, which demands the both/and reading of the letter and spirit. Good evening All, Irish whiskey is only good for shots. Most protestant in my area have a real problem with Catholics. Thanks for sharing your thoughts about jeff. Nevermind the fact that it would be illegal in UK law. Well, Jeffrey Morgenthaler, youve clearly never been to a privately owned Irish Catholic pub. Such crap why are all these experts so called Irishmen living in US. If I was the kind of person who blogwhored, I would http://tinyurl.com/d92kdl Back to Top. Of course with these kind of things mud tends to stick and some Irish-Americans wouldnt let the facts get in the way of a good anti-British story. Though Bushmills is the #2 Irish whiskey in the U.S., Tullamore Dew is #2 Irish whiskey (after Jameson) worldwide, so not too surprising that you would see it most places. Im leaving this post up as an archive, but I encourage you to read that article first, and if you, As far as Im concerned, springtime is Dark and Stormy season. Is Jameson Protestant whiskey? Usually King James Version. They are just businesses making whiskey. Also absolutely no one gave a rats ass what my religion is & Dublin is currently commemorating the Easter Rising centennial! Oh, by the way, John Jameson was a protestant Scottish planter in Ireland, so shouldnt you be boycotting his whiskey also? This is now a historical landmark. [9] They were the first Dublin distillery to do so, and one of the first in the world. I can guarantee no one here in Dublin or Ireland gives a crap either way. [3], As the distillery grew, so too did the stature of the family. Youd probably get glassed if you asked the question in certain places in Ireland or Scotland. There is whiskey, and a whiskey drinker is a whiskey drinker no matter how they take it. In Ireland theyd drink either, but rarely had enough money for more than a pint o the local beer. I generally have several bottles of Irish on hand. The most traumatic era in the entire history of Roman Catholicism, some have argued, was the period from the middle of the 14th century to the middle of the 16th. Prom_STar 9 yr. ago @Burnsy and Andrew: I dont drink Guiness or Jameson (for those particular reasons) I drink Paddys or Powers Whiskey and Murphys Stout!!!! so stop bringing religion into alcoholdrink what you like and leave the bigotry at the doorif people spent a few hours getting to know each other over a drink we wouldnt have half the discrimination we have today. This was the time when Protestantism, through its definitive break with Roman Catholicism, arose to take its place on the Christian map. You claim that it is an Irish-American phenomenon, however up in the six counties Catholics drink Jameson and Prod-Brits drink Bushmills there is even a bit of violence attached to it. From the outset of the Reformation, Luther and his associates had fiercely proclaimed the Christian's obligation to "be subject to the governing authorities," asserting, with Saint Paul, that "the powers that be are ordained by God . And, many thanks to (nearly) all of those who offered comments. As of 2016, Paddy is the fourth largest-selling Irish whiskey in the World. Powers is readily available in the Balto/Wash area. Being RC from Ulster, Ive had Jameson (and other Cork products) in plenty of Prod pubs (whether in Belfast or elsewhere) and plenty of Bushmills in RC pubs (whether in Dublin or in staunch republican areas of Cork, Kerry, and elsewhere), and never been hassled over it. As an irish american raised in an irish roman catholic family I can say this: I will second the Powers recommendation to add some turf to the fire. The town of Bushmills is a black hole. Currently rumored to be building a new distillery, Well, I already put my two cents in well up the thread, but here is some topical good news for the distillery in the North2013 Spirit of the Year: Bushmills http://www.winemag.com/Web-2013/2013-Spirit-of-the-Year-Bushmills/, Having just had this discussion with my buddy who was bribed with a bottle of Bush to express his love of it via twitter (which he refused, good man that he is) I have to say the following-. Simple business transaction where both sides benefit. I must say I enjoyed reading this thread, and I had no intention of posting until I reached #58. Whiskey, or "uisce beatha" in the Irish language, is an integral part of Ireland and Irish culture. Never once was I presented with a this is the north, or this is Ireland like many seem to believe in the States. If you guys can get your hands on Kilbeggan, it will not disappointI only recently discovered it and thought Id share. As for the Tullamore Dew, it actually is the perfect mingling of North & South, since the pot still & grain comes from Midleton in Cork and the single malt is distilled at Bushmills (then aged down at LDI). As long as its no longer going on in the company today then enjoy. and IRELAND vs SCOTLAND!! According to everyone Ive spoken with on the subject, you only really find this debate in the States, where Irish-American support of the Republic can sometimes be blind and often fueled by the very product were speaking of. Along with a fellow sipper we have over most of the Irish brands listed here in this thread as part of a 30+ years Christmas gift exchange and tasting session. @Darby )Gill: What a load of nonsense! Interesting and often amusing reading of so many perspectives. Powers is for shooting, some of the swill mentioned here is OK for mixing and when I want a little variety, I go for a double Connemara 12 never get tired of the peated smoothness and wonderful finish. 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