Even though work time labor operation code 61 00 006 ends in 006, it is not considered a Main or SHAME ON BMW!!!!! Yes you need to buy the camshaft locking tools,,,,the timing will slip,,,,you need a t-stat also,,,,the charge pressure fault may be due to the vanos unit,,,,the trailer issue is a random fault,,,,hope this helps. Tried to read live camshaft sensors read ista says that currenty no data is sent from them to DME. Thank you, No still would be concern,,,,I dont know if they used a different timing chain guide before 6/2012. They are similar to those that are used in BMW N55. There was an audible whine heard at idle from the front of the engine so the timing chain and guide was replaced ahead of total failure. Replace the solenoid that the code followed. Hello! Or will my timing chain, etc. I called BMW and they said no recalls on the car and told me to take it to a BWM Official garage. Thank you in advance. Is the fact that my vehicle is not on your list reassuring? I would just pay attention to any abnormal whine noise,,,,there is no maintenance on the timing chain. I have done my timing chain after finish car starts up runs but would not idle until cel come on. They unlock only when oil pressure is applied. When I read the code through ISTA, these codes are. I have changed timing chain on 2013 BMW 328i xdrive this is the codes Im getting 131501 120408 131908 . This website is not affiliated with BMW AG in any way, and should not be confused with the websites of BMW AG, BMW M GmbH. Sorry there are no replacement bolts for the N20 vanes unit that I know of,,,,,yes they are aluminum,,,the N20 and N26 vanes unit are not common to break not like the older one on N51 and N52, No, no To delete the three faults actually required deleting the faults two times. 130304 Vanos exhaust control fault camshaft jammed Click on the BMW X3 and X4 Forums | F25 (2011 - 2017) | F26 (2014 - 2017), Second Generation BMW X3 (F25) General Forum, https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/fshaft/HtiBPV3K, https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2053485-8362.pdf. Thanks for any input. Please help! Yes it does not say no signal. Reduced power" warning, 745i 2002 - Engine Malfunction - reduced power, If this is your first visit, be sure to
There have been no changes to the engine since the initial startup after the timing chain installation. Hi there I have a 2013 BMW f30 320 d EFF engine N47 T EUR model N47D20O1 production date 25/03/2013 ,does this engine have timing chain problems 175.000 Kilometers. Code 120408 Charging Pressure control Switch off as consequence He said the technician found this out by putting a scope in the engine but didnt explain it any further, nor did he address what the diagnostic code was for the sensor being on. Good day. Refer to KSD2 for the corresponding flat rate unit (FRU) allowance. Most auto repairs shops charge between $75 and $150 per hour. check out the. There are locking pins integrated inside the units. Everything else works perfectly at 176,000km. Nope,,,,its up to the dealership to make the call for BMW if they will fix the timing chain issue on your car under the TSB. 2D55 VANOS, intake, starting from cold: Non-adjustable I assume the tensioner is operated by oil pressure and its normal to feel some slack when the engine is not running? The year of 2012 was a year of impending upgrades in . To set the timing properly you have to be sure the Vanos units are locked its end position, so its moving 1:1 with the camshaft. The engine sounds exactly the same as the first time it started after the timing chain installation. BMW wont tell us why some models have problems and some dont,,,,it could be because of horsepower,,,,,you could replace tensioner if you want,,,,,it wouldnt hurt anything, Thanks for the reply i think its 220i and 320i uses the exact engine N20 my F22 2014 car now has 105000kms since its not in the list , in general what do u advice me to do shall i just keep my ears alerted to sounds or u advise me to take to service center and maintain the chain so i can save the engine ? So your car software level is July of 2019,,,,this is when it was last updated,,,so your car has fairly new software. Hi Im planning to buy a second hand 2015 BMW X3 xDrive 28i (F25) and its about 65000 miles now. Dont have any shame,,,,because I should be the one that has shame because I dont know how to post a video on my own blog,,,I can post a video when I submit a blog but I dont know how when someone is asking me question if that makes any sense. i am getting the following error codes on my 2013 BMW X3 (107k miles): E84 and E89: Or maybe the fuel that would be implicated! F31 Robert, is your location in Canada, given km instead of miles are used in your post? Ok heres another vanos unit off a 2011 328 N51 engine,,,,this is the intake vanos unit that is now in several pieces,,,,the customer was just driving on the highway when the engine just lost power. Or do you think its just possible plastic bits of junk in the sump pump pick up? F010-13-07-506 for the F10 If that helps you with anything! I learned that if you touch the neg and positive battery cable together while the battery is disconnected it clears the light. Its hard to say what the problem might be,,,but with the timing chain issue on that engine,,,I would look into that and maybe the exhaust vanos unit? So just saw this in the nick of time. 1d2404 Map thermostat, activation, line disconnection Owned Program. Thanks. only be fixed if it seems like my car will experience the issue (like if they hear the rattling noise that commenters have mentioned/you replied about. 131501-VANOS inlet, cold start not consolable. Today my engine shut off while I was driving. Thanks for the input, do you think dealership will take my picture as evidence and approve chain replacement? Good day. Nic. The actual angle also varied as in the previous test but on average was nearly equal to the desired angle. F30 / F31 / F32 / F33 / F34 / F36 (2012 - current). still the same problem. 2008 BMW 128I [0.00] Check engine light DTC 131501. Then I changed the exhaust cam gear and the solenoid. Exhaust Camshaft: Installation faulty. But one of the passages might have had some trash in it. Valvetronic Actuator Replacement Kit Includes actuator, actuator gasket and valve cover gaskets Brand: ES#: 4164466 Mfg#: 11377603979KT5 Qty: Availability: In Stock $243.84 Add to Cart Free Shipping on orders $59 and up Valvetronic Actuator Replacement Kit Includes actuator, actuator gasket and valve cover gaskets Brand: ES#: 4164462 Mfg#: Hi bmw technician. I have a SULEV vehicle so its definitely an N20 engine. one of the plug had corroded pins due to leaking pigtail from that Dinan harness and i got the DME clone. Hi Hi, I have little complicated problem with F30 N20B20 2012 engine.. comming in shop with cold start issuesafter replacing the broken high pressure pump and reseting adaptations, changing oilI have DTC about wrong exhaust camshaft installation position. But that is all. 131501 Variable camshaft timing control (VANOS) intake, cold start: not controllable. My daughters car had the timing chain issue N20. Usually the Vanos units lock in its default position when engine is turned off. Intake Camshaft: Installation faulty. Engine So if you treat your BMW well and extend the life of the timing chain and guides, you get punished for it. also by any chance would you know the torque specs for this bolts? With the engine running the function test for the exhaust and intake VANOS passes. Not a good sign, had the same thing happen on 2013 X3. I know there has been a lot of people complaining to BMW NA about this problem,,,I think there is a case where people are trying to sue BMW over the timing chain issue,,,one of the problems is none of the other BMW have this problem only the N20-N26. The intake cam had the following desired/actual degrees: 0/-8, -20/-20, -10.4/-10, -20/-20 and -10.4/-10. How do you check the oil pressure? Was it how the faults were cleared that made the difference? No turnover on start at all. But thats not what happened. The short version of this story is that the car is working now. If the fault code for camshaft position sensor goes away or swaps position from intake to exhaust (or vice versa), the fault code is being caused by the VANOS solenoid. Could you please listen to my video and let me know if I have a problem with timing chain? Defect Code: 11 36 01 96 00 Recently purchased 2104 BMW X1 28i x drive. The boost control fault is caused by the vanos fault,,,you need to check into the the vanos faults to see whats going on. The fault returns when its hot outside and comes back even faster when I turn on the air conditioning. How do I approach the dealer saying I hear a noise and whatnot for them to fix it while it is still under warranty? labor operation. I am troubleshooting an issue with it already for weeks now and unfortunately I was not able to find the root cause yet. Tried new battery. designates changes to this revision The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. and if necessary, also The extended warranty runs out in December. Entdecken Sie SKF VKMA38227 Keilrippenriemensatz Keilriemen Satz Keilriemensatz fr BMW in der groen Auswahl bei eBay. If governor works properly engine cant 9600 rpm. Looking forward to the return of your blog. Direksiyon kilidi/Kontak alteri BMW paralar 47738. hi, he said, he need to take out the valve cover to check the timing chain, tensioner and cam shaft. with the following integration levels: I would like the tackle the Vanos issue first and go from there. I checked the timing chain, it looks fine. I reside in Alberta as well. Hopefully it will prove to be a non issue. If you are interested here is the rest of the story. Tried test with ista for vanos solenoid test removed solenoid stiff does not move when activated. Im getting error codes 120408 Charging Pressure Control: Switched off. Seems like this is on the list. P0115; BMW 10AA40 Coolant-temperature sensor, electrical: no signal P112A; BMW 10AA50 Coolant-temperature sensor, plausibility: engine temperature in rel. The last oil change was two years ago but only 2200 miles were driven. Hello did you ever resolve that issue? (not including CAS) be claimed with separate labor operations under the defect code listed above; refer to KSD2. Just replaced timing chain and oil pump module on n20 13 528i xdrive. Can the timing chain issue be identified through scoping? 130308 VANOS, exhaust, control fault, position not reached The BMW Certified Pre-Owned Limited Warranty applies to BMW CPO vehicles that are still Disregard my question. Its a bit like on the list, the block of 20i and 28i is quite close, so why one seems more impacted than the other (the higher torque?). Labor: 1.0. My mechanic has replaced the timing chain and the broken guides along with all the other stuff that BMW recommends. Learn how your comment data is processed. Wont restart. What symptoms and codes might you get if your timing chain had failed? Just need to clear the check engine light. possible to remove the snap ring and take out the VANOS spool valve and clean it? Hello again, hope you having great day!! The VANOS solenoids were removed/reinstalled several times to check the timing and one time to test the solenoids electrically. Yes go to the dealership and tell them about the issue and the bulletin. Im thinking the dealership is just not interested in fixing it. or No I dont think it is covered,,,and what lifetime of the vehicle are you talking about. and as necessary Having the same. I have a 2013 528xi. Turn the ignition on. Suddenly the half yellow engine light came on and was telling me that reduced engine power bla bla. Hi Andreas, This question has appeared in your blog before. Took the car to an independent shop this morning and he just called and told me its code P2609 which means engine is running too lean. Do you know if the new Vanos assemblies comes with the upgraded bolts or do I still need to change out the 4 Vanos Gear bolts on a new assembly? So temperatures make difference. BMW replaced the motor and shipped it to us in AZ from Virginia. Yes took off the valve cover 3 times so far. What's even more exciting about the N20 engine is that this four-cylinder engine is capable of generating a stunning power of 240 HP and a sizzling torque of 260 lb-ft. F10, F25, F30, F31 and F34 SI B12 15 13 Think I'll avoid this. 2013 BMW X1 E84 WITH N2O MOTOR 11400ML I own a 2015 X1 with a manufacture date of April 2014. or ground from chassis to engine? I appreciate any input. No car manufacturer is going to tell you the problems with their car,,,they are just worried about the sale of that car,,,,not what is wrong with that car. This is a common issue on the N20 engine. Everything works, radio, windows, Locks. Im more concerned with the multiple vanos codes which happened after the fact. Ive change engine mount, spark plug, coil but problem is the same. Since its not on the list, does this mean this timing chain guide failure is highly unlikely? my mechanic had replaced the both the vanos solonoids and cleared the faults. I assume it will need to be replaced just because its higher in milage but do you think BMW would warranty it out knowing that theyve said it was lifetime of the vehicle? Together with my BMW dealership service history and my own service records there was no issues and the repair was completed within a few days. Hello there. Im sorry,,,and I hate how BMW has handled the whole problem with the N20-N26 engine and timing chain issue,,,I understand your frustration with BMW and how they didnt take care of this known problem. How can fuel be the cause? 130304 VANOS, exhaust, control fault, camshaft jammed Car start very well but no power and check engine light on code po52b. The values changed. A service advisor at a reputable independent repair shop was concerned about the brief rattle/stutter (5 second mark) in this video upon ignition. unfortunately info on this N20 is almost none exist at best. By any chance do you know how long will the dealerships receive this extended warranty info after the case settles? What codes would come up when the timing chain fails? document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. BMW like to keep some things to them selfs,,,,they dont want to release any information if they dont have to. I say bad engineering or a BMW scam? E84 and E89: What about the Timing Chain Sprocket, does it have to be in specific position before tighten Vanos central valve?! Here is the list of cars that have the 7/70 timing chain extension. Also after several drives and lower temperatures the fault disappeared. Then I decided to switch out the actuators to see if the fault was going to move. I havent been sleeping well. I've tested the soleniods and they are both good. Since the picture was taken by me not by the dealer. For information on programming and coding with ISTA/P, refer to Like how does this whole update thing work why didnt I have this update system on my 2009 328xi. If it is not on the list then it is not covered under that bulletin,,,but BMW does have some other programs,,,you need to go to the dealer and have your key remote reader performed and it will say if you are covered for any timing chain defects. cover and expose some wires and by moving around stuff they was rubbing together and i had the battery connect at that time too.need some help please thank in advance, Ok,,,,you said you smell gas and black smoke out of the exhaust, and you have wiring harness damage to Dinan piggy back,,,I would think this is your problem the harness is damaged and can be causing your problem with the fuel injectors dumping to much fuel into the engine,,,you can remove the spark plugs and see if they are fuel soaked to verify this problem,,,,I dont know if you can remove the Dinan piggy back and put it back to stock.,,,I hope this helps, Update on my car was other human error wrong timing was locking the camshaft with lobs facing down, i correct it and veh stated up right away..THANKS for taking time to assess me. Page 1 of 4 I have NO idea why haha, but i have a brand new tranny for it and got it installed by the dealership, been about 7k miles since that. (with CAS) We are just have an idea that it is fuel related due to other countries dont have the same problem as we do,,,and we have different fuel requirement then other countries,,,,so what might be happen is the the fuel burn is not as great as other countries and causing more stress on the timing chain causing it to break down. You could replace the tensioner if you like,,,you should be ok since your car was probably built in 2015.,,,,you could ask your local dealership on what they think about your car and the timing chain issue. Page 3 of 4 Apr 14, 2022 BMW F30 328i 2013 N20 engine "Drivetrain malfunction etc" comes on occasionally. Im planning to buy a used 2015 BMW X3 xDrive 28i and its in the list. or can I slowly unscrew the center valve and insert a new one? i took it to a euro car guy that i know he flashed the transmission and that solved the problem, did you get it sorted I, having the same faults. Im in california and Im planning to buy a used 2015 BMW X3 xDrive 28i (F25). As there is a known TSB and the solenoid is VVT. I still have under 70k miles and not reached 7 years. Labor Operation: Labor Allowance: Description: 2D5A VANOS, intake, control fault, camshaft jammed Hi greatings from Norway i have also a Bmw 320i GT-xdrive with 97k-km i dont hear any winning on the chain.I dont find in your list f34 320i Gt from 07.2013 that means that is not afected or just is not on the list i called allso BMW-and they said that my car is not on the extendet waranty list.Im verry stresed with this timming chain issue every time when i go on the car i listen to the engine is like ridding a time bomb.I am paning to change the timming chain at 150k-km even if is not making the noise.And whi there so many 328i afected and 320i not does it matter if mine is a xdrive?does the chain is more under load fi the care is x-drive? New chain and guides and so far no problems. Turbo engines are more complex and require several . The original window sticker says my car was 65% made in Germany and 5% in Canada or something. Most likely you have broken timing chain guides and the whole timing set will need to be replaced. Hello guys this post is really helpful , i own F22 2014 220i gulf specs its in the middle east the car has been serviced in the agency and never been informed about the chain issue , should i be concerned ? This TC issue really is so unfortunate, at a time when BMWAG is behind upstart like Tesla and old foes like Audi. 130104 VANOS, intake, control fault, camshaft jammed Hi I live in California and im planning to buy a used 2015 bmw x3 xDrive28i (F25) then I saw the this post. Thank you again. The tensioner sometime start to malfunctioning due to lack of motor oil (it is actioned by the oil pressure). SUBJECT So now I have one BMW expert telling me its loose and should be taken care of by the dealership, and the dealership is telling me everything is good to go, no problems. When engine starts cam shaft on exhaust goes all the way to the end. not have the latest software. 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