It can ONLY be used for specialist purposes, e.g. While this basically sums up the answer to the question, there is still plenty to know about bulletproof vests and shotgun ammunition that could be very helpful. I use #2 magnum in my 20 ga for home invasion defense. You already know about that, it has a portion of wadding at its tails end to help it be stable through the air. The pattern element in the name contains the unique identity number of the account or website it relates to. For ultra close range applications (ie: inside your home) this load would likely be effective, however an operator should be prepared to follow up with larger shot in the event that additional force is required to stop a threat. Jump to Latest Follow 41 - 51 of 51 Posts. Here are the levels of bulletproof vests and what they protect against: These are the basic levels for bulletproof vests. I want to follow your advice that #1 buck is a great tradeoff between safe home defense and adequate penetration. Large hole in suspect's hand is from the wad. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. I found the Brenneke slug test of great interest. Agent Mireles made good hits, but the car's body and glass soaked up most of the shot, rendering the 12-gauge ineffective against the killers. However, they only perform best with a cylinder or an improved cylinder choke. 1. These components include primers, cartridge cases, slugs, and propellant powder that can be used on any firearm. Closeup of the slug. So, if the spread of the shot is wider than that, then fragments will hit unprotected parts of your body. Perspective on the entrance hole and wound tract. There are also several types of ammunition that can be used with a shotgun. Other uncategorized cookies are those that are being analyzed and have not been classified into a category as yet. With our caveat out of the way, we will state that it has been our observation that federal buckshot loads typically pattern tightly across a large variety of different shotguns. I would love to see real world penetration tests on Dixie Slugs 3 inch IXL-DGS (Dangerous Game Slug) .730 and is a hard cast and heat-treated 870 grs slug at 1200 from a 20 barrel. Out of these, the cookies that are categorized as necessary are stored on your browser as they are essential for the working of basic functionalities of the website. Robert Farago is the former publisher of The Truth About Guns (TTAG). Google DoubleClick IDE cookies are used to store information about how the user uses the website to present them with relevant ads and according to the user profile. You'll find hands-on reviews of products we own and trust, guides on self-defense, survival, discipline, fitness, and more. As compared to most regular foster styled slugs cast/swagged from soft lead, the brennekes are manufactured from a harder alloy that largely accounts for the slug holding together better at the higher velocities. Level IIIa armor offers all this protection with the added benefit of stopping .44 Magnum jacketed hollow points, again with extra bulk and weight added. 1 round chambered, 5 in magazine. Please don't hesitate to contact us if you have questions about our products. The rear is intentionally made lightweight to help it automatically correct the slugs direction through aerodynamic forces to keep the nose pointed forward. The 5.56 rounds penetrated the side of the block, but did not enter the cylinder wall. Thread: 12 gauge slug vs modern body armorwho wins? Amazon and the Amazon logo are trademarks of Amazon.com, Inc, or its affiliates. This 2 inch load of Remington Tactical Managed Recoil 00 buckshot fired from an 18 inch barreled Remington 870 Marine Magnum surprised us with it's considerable penetration of 20.5 inches. Wounds inflicted from birdshot tend to be gruesome yet shallow as they lack the penetration required to reach vital cardiovascular or central nervous system structures. So, can a bulletproof vest stop buckshot? var ins = document.createElement('ins'); Complete penetration and generally tighter wound tract pattern. YouTube sets this cookie via embedded youtube-videos and registers anonymous statistical data. It is likely that these can penetrate even level IV armor with relative ease. Composite photograph illustrating total penetration of a 1600fps Winchester foster styled slug. var slotId = 'div-gpt-ad-legionary_com-box-3-0'; This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. It is possible to get Level I armor, the lowest available, but most manufacturers only offer Level IIa and above. You also have the option to opt-out of these cookies. Perspective on the entrance wound of the 16 pellet load fired from 5 yards. Located on the Mediterranean coast at the mouth of the Turia (Guadalaviar) River, it is surrounded by orchards in a region known as the Huerta de Valencia. When you are looking to buy one for yourself, it is important to know which vest will protect you best. Vimeo installs this cookie to collect tracking information by setting a unique ID to embed videos to the website. Birdshot is optimized to the player who wants more punch in their shotgun, especially at close ranges. Buckshot, though, has a widespread and much bigger pellet than birdshot; therefore, if you are hit with buckshot, the area that is protected by the bulletproof vest will safe from penetration, but the areas that are not protected could be severely injured. They range from saboted rounds to hardened single ball slugs. If you can live with the approximate 15 to 20 yard decrease in maximum range (85 yards as compared to approximately 100 with a full power slug), this load exhibits phenomenal penetrating capabilityespecially when you consider the projectiles poor sectional density. Technically, a level I bulletproof vest could prevent birdshot from penetrating through the vest. ins.dataset.adClient = pid; Temperature outside was a little warmer than it should have been when we shot this block and it was the last block of a relatively long string. You may encounter some accuracy challenges with this option. These plates are inserted into carriers which form the bullet proof vest. Closeup of the slug.in this case the cardboard wadding wound up pressed into the back of the slug. ins.className = 'adsbygoogle ezasloaded'; Wider perspective of testing rig. You do not expect anything less than high-quality when you choose the Brenneke Slugs. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. Keep in mind that the body armor in the 1970s wasn't that great. Although level II body armor is heavier than level II A body armor, it 's still incredibly lightweight, comfortable to wear and easy to conceal. The Level IIIa is the highest protection available in both overt and covert styles. Closeup of the wad at its resting place in the first block. So, the next time you need slugs for your shotgun, you may as well consider trying these armor-piercing ones. The second gelatin block showing the slug and wad material. Armour-piercing ammunition (AP) is a type of projectile designed to penetrate either body armour or vehicle armour.. but the round is not designed for this purpose). Cut it to 20 inches making it Cylinder cut bore and I threaded the vent rib for the original 648 TPI bead and replaced it with a Trijicon front shotgun Bead. If you have used rifled slugs before then, you will notice that sabot slugs improve what rifled slugs are. 2 blocks of gelatin, each 17 inches long, were used for this test. Recoil can change with switching firing modes and between only prone and stand stances. How Do I Choose Good Self-Defense Ammo For My Handgun? I have found nothing else like it and so would love to see actual testing of this ammo! Although more common in actual war and combat, inRead more , The nij benchmark for testing 9mm against 3a armor is a 10 barrel mp5 firing 124gr projectiles at approximately 1450fps if I remember correctly. We do not believe general deformation of the hardened lead pellets is significant with respect their performance in target media. Stephen Woo & Barbara Woo - Stephen Woo Actor, Barbara Woo Actor. There is a VERY POWERFUL and POPULAR company out there who now lets you try their traffic service for 7 days free of charge. Shoot from five yards. var container = document.getElementById(slotId); To much room for error and mistakes. YouTube - Store data on what videos from YouTube the user has seen - 2. More often then not it does not stop or work out as intended. Technically, a level I bulletproof vest could prevent birdshot from penetrating through the vest. Kevin was born and raised in Texas and loves all things tactical. The cookie stores information anonymously and assigns a randomly generated number to recognize unique visitors. Shot recovered exhibited minimal deformation and we speculate this is due to both buffering and the unique wad configuration of this particular load. They specialize in combining soft Kevlar armor with hard armor plates to their carrier designs. If it's anything like birdshot or buckshot the body armor will hold up pretty well. Thats all I can tell you. doubleclick.net - browser supports cookies. The shot impacted at the base of the closet back wall hitting an old set of bed frame rails / Steel sheet metal bed rails about 1/64 of an inch thick very thin stuff. is this even a thing now? Detailed photograph of expanded slug head. Tested was a 2 inch load of federal premium #4 plated magnum buckshot fired from an 18 inch barreled Remington 870 Marine Magnum. The U.S. Army is finally poised to field a new bullet designed to penetrate body armor at greater ranges. We are compensated for referring traffic and business to Amazon and other companies linked to on this site. YouTube sets this cookie to store the video preferences of the user using embedded YouTube video. They may not be optimum choices, but they are hardly as harmless as many have suggested. A 12 gauge slug center mass will also offer a deterrent factor to a body armor wearing aggressor again making for an easy follow up kill shot. The armor does not allow penetration. The sabot slugs do not contact the bore when fired, which means they can be made using various materials, including lead, steel, brass, and copper. hit me up with an email in the contact form if you have any questions. Full-bore slugs include the Brenneke and Foster types, which use the shuttlecock method of stabilization that involves placing the mass in front of the projectile. "I never learned from a man who agreed with me.". When pushed in the neighborhood of 1600 fps, the softer lead slugs tend to deform significantly; losing their penetrating potential as the slug either expands so much as to present huge cross sectional area or breaks up into smaller, less efficient fragments. In comparison to the same load fired out of an 18 inch barreled remington 870, the 4 inches of barrel length missing effects an overall penetration reduction of approximately 2.5 inches. He was hospitalized for several days due to briusing of the heart. Wounds inflicted from birdshot tend to be gruesome yet shallow as they lack the penetration required to reach vital cardiovascular or central nervous system structures. The extra thickness is to ensure the armor can provide ample protection against the trauma from the higher impact bullets. 9 pellet #1 Buck is loaded by several Euro companies and PMC used to offer both 9 pellet #1 and 12 pellet #1 for 20 gauge. Relatively uniform penetration of all 9 pellets was observed. Closeup of the 3 lobed tears. Besides any load will go through 2-3 layers of drywall with enough power to injure a person or blind them so using small birdshot sizes accomplishes nothing other then mental security.its just a binki for the brain. If you went any lower than the level IIIA, then you could definitely be putting yourself in serious danger. Total penetration of the load was longer than our gelatin photographing light fixture. It does not store any personal data. Are they adequate or should we stick with conventional 2 3/4 buckshot? The M993 dramatically outperformed the B32. So a rifle bullet hitting an object is the same as the recoil the shooter feels? The reason that m855 will readily penetrate body armor is its construction with a steel penetrator at its core is designed for maximum armor . They have a hollow rear like the Foster, but they come with a special wad that fills the hollow base. The first major application of armour-piercing projectiles was to defeat the thick armour carried on many warships and cause damage to their lightly-armoured interiors. Is does not matter what type of firearm it is fired from. In interior (not mixed interior/exterior) home defense situations, buckshot and slugs are totally out of the question, unless perhaps you are using them in a .410 shotgun. Armor Piercing slugs have been the answer to armor penetration for a long time in the history of ammunition and armor protection. ins.dataset.fullWidthResponsive = 'true'; This cookie, set by Cloudflare, is used to support Cloudflare Bot Management. No. Obviously, a regular shotgun isn't going to penetrate most body armor regardless of what kind of ammo you use, especially the fictional armor used by the High Table soldiers in the movie. In our opinion, this load is superior to 00 buck for selection as a tactical shotgun load. } Alexa analytics service - keep track on user informations. ins.style.width = '100%'; Temporary stretch cavity was approximately 10 inches long. We believe most of this deformation occurs during firing, and plays a large role in how the shot will pattern. It seems that they're not effective in penetrating armor compared to rifles. Shooter shot him 3x with full size 20 ga pump loaded with birdshot (cant remember what size shot but holes looked very small like # 7 1/2). We highly recommend reduced recoil slugs, as they certainly are easier on the shoulder in practice and as such you are likely to practice more and feel more confident in your ability to hit. 8) in this thread in this sub-forum in the entire site. Small sized birdshot such as this #5 Tungsten Matrix load is a poor choice for deployment with a tactical shotgun. It will likely stop birdshot and smaller shot loads; however, buckshot may penetrate depending on the distance. This anonymous data helps us to better understand users' needs and customize the website accordingly. Sway change with switching between all stances. Plus, it also comes in handy when you need something tough to crush through a dense brush. I use a 20 gauge youth pump shotgun, due to medical complications. A 2 inch load firing 16 .30 cal pellets, this offering from Remington fired from an 18 inch barreled Remington 870 Marine Magnum exhibited excellent average penetration of approximately 16.5 inches. container.appendChild(ins); Slugs provide shotgun shooters a solid chunk of lead that greatly improves the effective range. Perspective of the shredded gelatin block. You need targeted traffic to your Shotgun Penetration With Various Rounds The Truth About Guns website so why not get some for free? Why not test #3 and #2 buck as well? Most vests use Kevlar or Dyneema plates, both of which are much stronger than steel, and when woven together provide a web that slows the bullet and minimizes injury greatly. Safe for all . They are also effective at penetrating body armor. Definitely consider that which you said. Shotgun pellets do not travel fast enough to penetrate body armor such as a rifle does. How deep do the pellets penetrate? 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