You may say murder itself is cowardice, but if youre the murderer, youre taking a huge risk, and if youre an introverted murderer, youre being your version of brave by physically confronting and attacking someone. Also, wasnt her phone found in between couch cushions. She was an environmental science person. He couldnt get into anyways so I dont know what the plan was gonna be after. Watts has since pleaded guilty to killing his wife and daughters, as well as a charge of unlawful termination of a pregnancy. I have come to think of her OCD tendencies as a bit like the way she was around her kids. I had assumed all the way through that he had used a pillow. She also had Lupus, and was 15-16 weeks pregnant, which could have been the reason why she wasnt feeling well. what was the deal with the blue gloves next to the bed??? So yeah sigh! She said he was telling people he has to go to work and that just doesnt seem right. Lo que ese animal hizo estuvo todo en su sano juicio, los borrachos dicen que hacen cosas indebidas por estar ebrios pero, este definitivamente es satans. It would be tiring to lug it upstairs and she might not have wanted to make any noise. Much more interest in the case in his home state; in Wisconsin, hes just a number. I love the way people just make things up and state it as fact, even when it completely opposes evidence in the case. Some people never saw. Are you a parent? Cheryl: If Chris did that, he definitely has to die. It drives me batty to see little Cece kick her legs in joy in the videos and to know they were stopped forever. Shan'ann seemed to have a fairly mild case. Hes a piece of crap but make no mistake, they would be alive if not for Shannan. 2 hours isnt going to bed or going to sleep. Watts isnt a trained jujitsu. Not as bright. How do you or any of us know what her last words to Chris were? Also just because she was strangled and they were suffocated doesnt mean dirt. Did Chris Watts not mind his wife Shanann humiliating him on Facebook? A . She says did Shannan do something that made you do something? It takes 2-4 min for a person to die from smothering or strangulation. He then "went into a rage," he claimed, and strangled her to death in retaliation. stop, stop. . He didnt attempt to revive the children or call for help. First off she was supposed to have been in a rage enough to have been snuffing the life out of her daughter & then when she sees the object of her rage that caused this who then starts to fight with her & strangle her she doesnt dig her nails into him anywhere? I also think the MLM biz attracts people that are lost, and need to be directed and consumed by something. Was the examiner not able to determine the order in which Shanann and the girls were killed? Oil water and sludge debris in the stomach.. He had a plan to kill them all, all along. of OCD triggers and symptoms. As far as the BAC goes, it had been over 100 hours from the estimated time of death to when the samples were taken at autopsy. Amy thoughts on her? GPS from Watts work truck led police to the oil well. Hes asked whether Shannan was strangling CeCe or smothering her, at first he says strangling because this is the only thing that makes his story believable but afterwards he knows theyll be no marks so he says hes not sure. What is going on?? I am doing a project for school and i would like to have a look at them. Will we ever know the order in which they were killed? He still murdered a sick pregnant wife and two innocent children. LEE: Depends on sometime we find saliva, large amount of saliva, nasal secretion, mixed with small amount of blood on the pillow. Was there no evidence of feces on the girls beds either so maybe they were not killed in bed? After 2nd child, changed. Thankyou Nick for all your studies, research and insights. It kills me because its pretty clear they went to bed like normal and were awoken to find him killing them. Parents reach for any hope, even if the child is blue, even if rigor has set in, theyre desperate and people who are not emotionally involved as them, professionals,have to tell them its too late. https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/public_comments/trade-regulation-rule-disclosure-requirements-and-prohibitions-concerning-business-opportunities-ftc.r511993-00010%C2%A0/00010-57283.pdf. 1. Watts claimed that he snapped and strangled his wife when he found her murdering the girls, but he later pleaded guilty to all three murders. Then he agreed to go to Aspen with her for the weekend following her death. But legally it was in Chriss name. One of the predatory marketing techniques used by MLMs (which overwhelmingly target MOMs) is that they can be at home *with* their children, making extra money with little effort. Shan'ann Watts tells her husband: "I don't want a video of you" while recording her children Chris Watts Case: What would Sherlock Holmes Do? https://www.medicaldaily.com/what-forensic-scientist-doesnt-tell-you-7-postmortem-responses-dead-body-314404. I once witnessed where someone used Tequila in a hookah instead of water. Triggers related to cleanliness and symptoms related to washing make up only a small part of the range 1. x, Ive said this before. And the life insurance policies out on the 3 girls, not sure Nico yet, was not very much at all. People with OCD have rituals. I also believe in my heart that Shannan did not hurt her babies A person who is killed and immediately wrapped up and taken out of the home within an hour isnt going to be in rigor in that time- the first rigor shows up in about 1-2 hours, and then takes about 12 hrs to fully develop Then dissipates again about 12 hours later. It seems as if the account Chris gave once he was finally in jail and writing letters was the truth. Or look up the video of the DA talking about the autopsies. Not everyone poops when they die, in fact most do not. I didnt see any evidence that Shanann tried to defend herself, probably because he sat on top of her. Or it might be that a place for everything and everything in its place is a good way for me to manage time being able to grab what I need when I need it without having to faff around looking for it. At the end of the day there are no good reasons to commit murder, especially of ones own flesh and blood, but there may be valuable lessons to learn from figuring out how this could have happened. (942948) Interview with NK about CW's failing marriagehe badmouthed SW a lot . http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/12/lkl.01.html, https://shakedowntitle.com/tag/scott-peterson/, http://www.timescall.com/ci_32281483/autopsy-reports-show-shanann-watts-daughters-were-asphyxiated, https://letsqueerthingsup.com/2018/05/12/i-didnt-know-i-had-ocd-heres-why-the-stereotypes-are-so-harmful/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYC7bHIzuqE, https://crimerocket.com/2018/11/02/shanann-watts-intended-to-brand-baby-niko-and-credit-thrive-for-her-perfect-pregnancy-but-her-plan-backfired/, https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-woman-made-a-life-changing-decision-after-her-husband-gave-600000-to-a-cult-2017-07-10, Christopher Watts: What else do we know? Its completely obvious from videos that the wife was a nut job, self absorbed, controlling weirdo that undermined her husband constantly..so leave her ass!! Chris only had one small scar on his body, consistent with this theory. I think Chris pretended to be asleep because I think hes a coward and wouldnt have wanted to interact with her. And did you mention that the 6 weeks Shannan was in NC with her girls that your Hero Chris Watts was enjoying 6 weeks of being single with his girlfriend, and that was the turning point in their marriage? He was an operator for Anadarko. It was a matter of how they were immersed in the oil. Watts was no genius, by saying he saw her kill CeCe and giving such a short timeframe for their killings, he left it wide open that they could have been saved had he called 911 or administered CPR instead of murdering his pregnant wife. This was the last time she was seen alive. Hence, no struggle, no stretches. Shananns Autopsy Report states, There is a linear array of variably sized, purple black circular defects which extend from the inferior aspect of the chin, along the jawline, up the left aspect of the face, towards the left temporal area. There are no words . Pee and Poo Remember, she was pregnant. And to come home to a cheating bum! This would also suggest that the Stranglehold was done with a right arm, as this would correlate to the right-sided internal bruising, and the left-sided external bruising. It has NOTHING to do with being organized, clean, or a neat freak. Or perhaps he left when the sun was coming up because thats when he usually left for work. No. Peanuts and tree nuts are VERY different, and supposedly CeCe had a *tree nut* allergy coconut, not peanuts! He really thought he could get away with this? https://jcp.bmj.com/content/54/5/348, This is why Shanann had no defensive injuries, and this technique would account for everything in her autopsy, from blood alcohol/ethanol levels to an unbroken hyoid bone Wanting to know why is simply that wanting to know why. I was in one temporarily an Acai drink, it really tried to make you ocd about $ and prestige attaining the unattainable honestly. Required fields are marked *. They are The People Of The Lie. (Scott Peck). Her death was the only one categorized as violent by the coroner Before I became a police officer- I was an EMT and I worked for 8 months for a company that transports dead bodies from where they die to funeral homes or the medical examiner. I always slept in a bra when I was in my 20s and 30s. Kinda odd. Its more likely the complete opposite. Watts previously told investigators that Shannan's killing. Autopsy shows oil, water, and sludge in their lungs, which cannot happen when you are dead. He asked one time if he should go look for his familyhe did not ask again about looking and he did not seem overly concerned, the police report said. The agents stressed the words ran & walked because they were inconsistent & made no sense. Chris is dead inside. Her neck muscles had been bruised and the manner of death was deemed a homicide. So while he would have possibly had more of a mess to clean up with ShanAnn than with the girls, it was contained, unlike the mess of that horrid Patrick Frazee who killed Kelsey Berreth by braining her with a baseball bat. One thing that was truthful that came out of NKs mouth was that he lied about everything. Usually when theres a fight while strangulation is occurring the perpetrator uses so much force the hyoid bone is broken; shannans was not. The manner of death is homicide, the autopsy report says. That sounds very very snarky. I think she was killed in the basement, just by the bottom of the staircase, by the fridges and the area where they stored old rope. I dont know why, but I have a deep need (would have never expected this) to discuss what happened, and I need to be honest with my observations. He pushes her off CeCe and strangles her with both hands ( he demonstrates ) She was always busy. Regarding oil in the stomach, just a thought, but wasnt Bella face up and CeCe face down when removed from the tanks? No evidence of cake or undigested dinner. DENVER (CBS4) The district attorney in Weld County says the autopsy reports are complete for Shanann Watts and her two young daughters found dead at . Straight up facts. Shannan was a hypochondriac, who was gonna turn her kids into the same. I worry he may have had the girls dead and sprawled out waiting for her to come home and watched her reaction from the baby monitor. Dont forget, she is pregnant. She strangled them.. Its something so outside my wheelhouse that I didnt even know it could me done. Or putting her down. Then probably went to bed & I guarantee he was in their bed not in the basement & this made her happy. Bella has oil in her stomach but Celeste doesnt. Thanks for making the reports public. And the fact that theyd had a bankruptcy in 2015 apparently hadnt helped her wise up at all. Which she combed over the menu trying to come up with that amount for one person. Im sure he didnt want any questions from her or to talk about anything. The body is that of a well-developed, well-nourished Caucasian female whose appearance is generally consistent with the She should have seen my house when my kids were little. You can see it in his eyes. Before I forget one glaring mistake in the Discovery by the CBI when they did the forensic search they said they checked for traces of blood where the cadaver dogs had indicated, including the top of the basement stairs near the mudroom. He said kidnap somebody, murder somebody. Makes me so sick. How dare you blame the victim? He eventually disappeared for long time, gave me house. I have watched/listened to a lot of Nicks videos and am now working my way through his books, and I can honestly say that he is impartial and simply digs deep into the why of the case. Shan'ann, Bella and Celeste Watts 25 Page Autopsy Report | TRUE CRIME ROCKET SCIENCE TRUE CRIME ROCKET SCIENCE True Crime Analysis, Breakthroughs, Insights & Discussions Hosted by Bestselling Author Nick van der Leek CRIME NEWS WATTS KNOX JonBenet MCCANN WM3 PENDING TOOLBOX TCRS YOUTUBE ARCHIVE She also wanted to make her marriage work. If anything, I would say its more like few / some. Donald, the house has bedrooms upstairs and a central family room with a couch and TV in between the master and the girls bedrooms. As a former forensic detective I dont completely agree with the DAs comment that it is normal. I think she was going to do what most of us who suspect our man of cheating would do, see who the server was, and go to the restaurant with a pic of Chris & ask who he was in there with. The detective said not really. Also she seemed to have every intention to work things out while he was having an affair and according to him getting divorced. If CW is the type of father that would never hurt his girls, then his behavior after pulling Shannan off CeCe would be to call 911, try CPR ( he had classes at work) When non murderous parents are confronted with the loss or potential loss of their children they get desperate. No screams were heard in the middle of the night. The HORRIFIC, worse than most of us originally thought truth; Bella and Cece were ALIVE on the drive, Bella even commented on the smell of her mothers body on the floor under their feet in the back seat because her bowels had evacuated when she died; its horrific to know that he dumped those little girls, unconscious but still alive out of fear that they would wake up again and the disgusting coward and monster that he is- he said he was FURIOUS that they somehow woke up after he thought hed killed them in thier beds. The autopsy noted that recovered items included oil soaked pink pajama type top with images of hearts and butterflies and a pair of oil soaked underwear.. I dont know her daily habits, but i use mine as an alarm. Chris said: I freaked out and I did the same thing to f****** her. If Chris *hadnt* killed them, would he have gone to so much trouble to hide the bodies? Or perhaps Chris had one with himself by way of rationalizing killing his family, although I dont think it was emotional. How does pretending to be asleep and cowardice align with murder? My husband and I wrestle and if he sits on my chest with my arms by my side, I cant move. Shannan's cause of death was strangulation while an autopsy found crude oil in Bella and Celeste's throats, stomach and lungs. It is my observation that Bella was unconscious but still breathing when she was and stomped on her head to get her into the tank. Ethanol makes sense, especially because it could be disguised in the chemicals themselves. Addition. So when he pulls her off theres not one last gasping breath, she dies at that exact moment and theres nothing Chris can do but kill Shannan!!!! So its OCD when it comes to what people see, both house and life if you will..but a suitcase at 2 am, 4 months pregnant, I could easily see her saying nope to carrying that suitcase upstairs. Bella Watts Autospy Report From what I understand its not possible to swallow fluids once youre dead. Frank and Sandy Rzucek, and their son Franky, tell CBS4 they have been physically, emotionally and financially exhausted by unfounded claims by conspiracy theorists who believe they played roles . All those purchases, that expensive leased SUV that LeVel would only give her a car allowance for if she kept her sales up, the expensive preschool, the too-big house with all the fancy furnishings, several closets full of expensive shoes-shoes-shoes (yet she wore the same pair of flipflops every day), multiple purses, more clothes than one person could possibly be using, on and on and on. These are just my opinions (based on zero knowledge). We know that she went to her office and attempted to order haircare products, and in the welfare check footage you can clearly see a large dark blanket on the sofa, and two small pink chair beds by the side of the sofa. So Shananns OCD personality stopped that night? Not a chance she would have run the risk of waking up the children by going into their rooms she knew theyd be fine as shed often said Chris was a good Dad. For nothing. Not a single drop of blood on the bed sheets, and she winged him apparently with her nails on his neck. And I doubt this person is a doctor who can just diagnose ppl he doesnt know either. He added Shannan in as an after thought, or Shannanor my wife 53 102 comments sorted by New Add a Comment If the girls were dead by ca. And the decision to move Chris out of state as well? You wrote a book blaming Shannan- seems to me youre just throwing your assumptions around. Youre not Shanann Watts. It may interest people to see how MLM companies such as Thrive, train their customers and promoters in Time and Management and Organisational skills, both of which can be classified as OCD behaviours to an untrained eye. Lack of petechiae. Folks seem to think wanting to know why means supporting Watts or blaming his wife. Dont mislead people into believing there should be feces in the location of a murder. She had a separate closest for her shoes & purses. The Weld County Coroner released the complete autopsy reports of Bella, Celeste, and Shanann Watts, who were murdered by Chris Watts on August 13. She was relatively YOUNG. Shanann had only (ap autopsy) "probable bruising on the anterior subcutaneous neck tissue" sweetbreez 4 yr. ago Like the previous commenter said, LE explained that it had to do with her being buried in the sand vs the oil.