I managed the deceleration to approach speed with very small movements of the power levers and maintained final approach speed quite easily. Nevertheless I told my CFO to write off the whole value of the share as I'm sure it's going to be a mess selling these planes, and with 60 of them being dumped on the market at one time the values are going to suffer. You need to check your facts pal, they offered voluntary leaves to avoid furlough up until recently a handful of people have been fired for the slightest error in judgement. Piaggio P.180 Avanti: Owner/operator: Avantair Inc: Registration: N146SL: MSN: The Piaggio Avanti EVO is the third generation model of Piaggios flagship model. As the factory-authorized training provider for these aircraft, we have created in-depth, type-specific programs to ensure that pilots and technicians are equipped with the latest in safety training. Avantair loves the use of an ops check where the the crew tries to recreate the issue once and the maintenance department ignores it even after repeat issues with that same problem day after day. 36 dated 11 April 2019 to the P.180 Avanti Pilot's Operating Handbook and AFM (Report 6591). As we approached this, Lorenzo increased the back pressure and stopped trimming at 1.5 times the stall speed. Really thinking nothing of it, I booked a flight from LAS to Orange COunty Ca today (coming back tomorrow). Avantairs demise, parts scarcity, and maintenance headaches combine to make P180 ownership a challenge. Theoretically, a newly minted multiengine pilot with a high-altitude endorsement could hop right in and go flying. Bleed air would have been nice, but by the time it had traveled the distance from the engines, its not clear that it would have been very hot anymore, and the bleed air used to heat the wing leading edges robs the turboprops of a great deal of power to begin with. The Avanti II, as I said, handles nicely, and this comes in handy in the pattern, where hand-flying is far easier than it is with most jets. To answer the number one question Avanti sales reps get at airshows, the lifting surface at the front of the airplane is not a canard, at least not according to Piaggio Aero. The price of the latest Piaggio P180 Avanti EVO is US $ 7.7 Million. But with a main cabin height of 69 inches, its easy to move about. My friend, the Captain, requested the FO remain with the passengers, who continued their verbal tirade as the Captain DID complete a postflight, although abbreviated under duress. However, the pilot did not report any pre-accident mechanical malfunction or anomaly with the airplane that may have precluded normal operation. A lot of the airplane have recurring maintenance problems that just get put off until something really breaks and the airplane is grounded. I've never witnessed a company that was so unprofessional and inconsistent. Again, the landing flare was very slight, and on touchdown, Lorenzo took control, selected beta on the props and we smoothly decelerated with plenty of runway remaining. WebP180 Avanti General Description. A most serious maintenance error especially since the elevator installation work would have required a RII type (double) inspection. Length / 47 ft 3 in Web Conserve water to avoid overloading the septic system. The forward wings are designed to stall first to assist in lowering the nose at the stall, and the ventral fins also add pitch down moment. If Avantair does not make it through this we could probably partner of a cheap Piaggio. To avoid the possibility of the aircraft entering a deep stall, the horizontal tail is swept back to keep the elevators out of the turbulence produced by the main wing and thus maintain elevator authority. The lower section, containing two integral carpeted steps, is released by a handle on the left and lowered into position. However, lately the service sucks and now this. If not pilots for a direct competitor that would benefit from a VNR no longer there, I would guess that they might be disgruntled former employees filtered out by VNR's well-known tough training program. Findings as to risk: Technology and Comfort Where the two designs are in accord is that they are both largely stall proof. We owned a King Air 200 several years ago in partnership with another company which was great except the other company ran into trouble and couldn't pay their half. While things have been dreary throughout the aviation industry for the past 5 years, Avantair was the only fractional airline that did not furlough or terminate pilots due to staffing reductions. P180 Avanti Hydraulic. These were retracted as we accelerated toward 160 knots. I love the plane and at first the service was fine. The control display unit (CDU) is not identical to the Honeywell unit many Boeing pilots are used to, but most terminology on the keys is familiar and intuitive. He was up for a 10k raise after gaining seniority and they cut his pay the DAY before he was supposed to get the raise. Did the Captain make a huge mistake doing a fast post flight after a butt-chewing from an owner? The power levers were manually adjusted as we climbed to maintain 100 percent torque, shown on the engine indicating system on the top of the central multifunction display (MFD) in green. Like the Starship, the Piaggio Avanti features a canard and rear-mounted engines. But the Avanti is made mostly of aluminum, not composites. It weighs thousands of pounds less than the Starship and is about 60 m.p.h. faster. ^ Martin, Ed (29 October 1989). The pilots had secured an engine and were having orientation issues due to instrumentation failures. While it may be certified to fly with one pilot most P180s are crewed by two. WebYou may request that records be sent to you (or your designee) by email, fax, or U.S. mail. You know get them off the insurance roll. Had Chuck Yeager and Sully Sullenburger, himself, flown the aircraft, the result would have been the same. Once on the runway and cleared for takeoff, we checked to make sure the flaps were set for takeoff and the steering was too there are different modes depending on how fast youre traveling though theres no tiller and that our trims and condition lever were correctly set. Vref lists the value of a 1990 P180 at $846,600 ranging up to $6.1 million for a 2019 Avanti Evo. One thats lacking is the single FMS. The shape, youll see, is not simply for show, though ironically it shows very nicely. The external baggage area is not pressurized. Here is the sentence: P180 Avanti Navigation. To demonstrate the low-speed aileron control, Lorenzo then pulled back to the buffet and effortlessly rolled on 80 degrees of bank and then recovered to level flight. 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The anhedral of the forward wing ensures there is no aerodynamic interference with the engine intakes and assists in stall handling. Thank you! Both crews included experienced professionals that could have easily been flying somewhere else. Ive removed Kyles email address above since this is not a pilot placement service, and Ive also deleted a charter companys post trolling for business from Avantair customers. WebFlightSafety offers the only formal pilot and maintenance training programs available for the Piaggio P.180 Avanti, the Avanti II and the Avanti EVO. At sea level under standard conditions, the Avanti II needs almost exactly the same amount of runway to land as it does to take off, just over 3,200 feet. As far as the crew that experienced the elevator loss, now you will hear the rest of the story.. Due to low ceilings at the destination airport, the crew diverted to the alternate, SAN. With the stick fully back, we reached 100 knots indicated but once again, as I released the back pressure and smoothly applied power, we recovered. General Data Sheet No. On the Avanti, each unique characteristic of the aircraft is firmly rooted in function. The foreplane is essentially a portion of the wing moved to the front to allow the main wing to be moved further aft in order to create a larger cabin. The fuselage, wings, tail and forward wing of the airplane are metal, though admittedly metal that has been shaped and smoothed in a way that makes a compound curve look like childs play. This is another advantage of a turboprop. Avantair and the FAA may call it voluntary, but it's all semantics. We are confident we are laying the groundwork necessary to offer outstanding service and reliability going forward.. Don, sorry about your situation and lack of communication. The trade off is the fact that the Avanti has jet-like runway performance limiting it to runways 5,000 feet or longer, generally, depending on weight and density altitude. At 10:21:49, there was 1000 feet of vertical separation and 0.9 nautical miles of lateral separation between the two aircraft. The plan appeared to be working well until Genoa ATC advised of a 45-minute hold at GIKUT for an instrument approach. Access to the cabin is straightforward, the upper two-thirds of the door on the port side, just behind the flight deck, opens toward the nose of the aircraft, and a gust lock keeps it flush to the side of the fuselage. Using the intuitive FMS CDU, I programmed a route toward BERAB, the initial approach fix for the VOR approach to Runway 27 at Villanova. In fact, Avantair late last year took possession of the 100th Avanti delivered in the United States, which has been far and away the models best market. Ask about it and was told they didn't want to buy replacement parts. I asked Grant to put the gear up on positive rate of climb, and soon thereafter I called for the flaps to be retracted. During the stand-down, Avantair will furlough some employees. No sooner had we done this, when Villi took control, performed an airshow-style liftoff, and turned to clear the runway for the next aircraft. When we resume operations, we will have the most reliable fleet in our industry embracing the highest standards in aviation, said Mr. Santo. As we returned to our starting point alongside Villanovas smart, modern terminal, we allowed the PT6s to cool for the required two minutes before securing the airplane. An FAA spokeswoman told me that the grounding was not initiated by the agency, so Im not sure where you got this information. Deviating from ICAO-compliant English, the controller told us, Piste libre before we lined up and discussed the departure. In flight, the Avanti handles much like its competition, but the jet-like takeoff and landing speeds, lack of FADEC, narrow gear track, twitchy electric steering, and grabby carbon brakes combine to make the airplane more of a handful than your run-of-the-mill King Air or Cessna Conquest. At 400 feet, Lorenzo handed me control for my first landing. The caution terrain aural warning was sounding continuously as Villi maneuvered us to the left in visual conditions to fly around the hill, inconveniently placed on the extended certerline of the runway. The continuous curve of the fuselage generates approximately one-third of the overall lift, reducing the required size of the wings and thus minimizing drag. If the fleet was grounded last saturday then why were pilots sent out assignments to fly? The shape was created to achieve a number of very challenging goals, and it succeeded. After two major incidents/accidents in eight months are not all fractional owners, their employees and their families scared to hell for their own safety??? The Avanti II gets its best range figures, up around 1,500 nm, at higher altitudes and lower fuel burns, and Grant told me that the range is real, commenting that he has never had to make more than one fuel stop going from any one point in the continental United States to another. Pete Bedell is a pilot for a major airline and co-owner of a Cessna 172M and Beechcraft Baron D55. The surface, which like the tail has a considerable amount of anhedral, is ice-protected, as is the windshield, by electric heat. Villanova requires a specific qualification as it sits in a bowl surrounded by mountains with an MSA of 11,200 feet to the west, so Villi briefed he would fly the departure from Runway 9 and demonstrate a performance takeoff. At 10:30 I was contacted and told that my flight had been cancelled, and that they would be looking at both charter and commercial flights at their expense. While canard configurations like the Beechcraft Starship were gaining a lot of attention back then, the exotic Avanti begged to be even more different with its three-lifting-surface arrangement versus the canards tail-forward setup. The professional pilots at Avantair greatly appreciate our owners support and contribution to our careers and livelihoods. It is by far the worst disorganized fractional and needs a miracle of improvement. The one posted under SEC filings on www.avantair.com shows a sentence between the last and next to last sentences that is missing from your release. So we planned to visually line up with the runway on short final. Although never anywhere near 40 in the last two weeks have been in service. Wingspan / 46 ft 1 in Passenger oxygen deploys at 13,000 feet. Despite the fact that it took me a while to get a feel for the trim button theres a little activate button in the center of the trim hat the hand-flying was nothing short of delightful. Being a turboprop, however, it uses a fraction of the fuel jets would use. Merry Christmas, kool-aid drinkers. The main wing of the airplane is very small (172.2 square feet, slightly less than a Cessna 210s) and very highly loaded. Thanks guys, The voluntary action is being taken in coordination with the Federal Aviation Administration. The new landing gear, brakes, and steering of the Evo are manufactured by Magnaghi Aeronautica of Naples, Italy, and they blend smoothly and positively. There are more problems than I can fit on this post, but one of the first problems is that these airplanes are flying 2-3 times the hours that Piaggio ever envisioned they would or designed them for. Closing the power levers to idle sounds the gear warning horn, which is canceled using a button on the RH power lever. FlightAware General. I selected terrain on my PFD to map the coastline. Now, on to the rumors about the FAA pulling Avantairs certificate. The forward wing (not to be called a canard, as it has no moving flight controls other than forward flaps) is positioned on the underside of a gracefully sweeping nose and is home to two pitot tubes underneath and, unusually in Western types, has a significant anhedral. I stayed on the flight director as we climbed, quickly getting into IMC and getting rapid-fire climb-and-maintain clearances along the way. The hours they slave him out for is shameful If this had happened at a big passenger airline, they would have been lauded for getting the aircraft to the runway. There are ten wholly owned Avanti EVOs in operation worldwide, according to JETNET. This action is voluntary and involves the temporary stand-down of [our] aircraft, Avantair said in a statement. We are grateful for their understanding and patience as we work through this important process. They "couldnt" find a charter in time (by 2pm as I had to be back), so they put me on American Airlines. Villi started the starboard Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6A-66B as I settled in and set up my voice recording device and GoPro camera connected via a splitter cable to my headset. It was spot on. At FL380, you can expect 380 KTAS on 600 pounds per hour in an Avanti II. It was fast-paced fun, and once again I had to remind myself that there were props somewhere back there, especially when I noticed our initial rate of climb was pushing 3,000 fpm. WebThe Piaggio P180 Avanti II twin-engine turboprop business aircraft is the successor to the P180 Avanti, of which more than 100 have been produced since its entry into service in Max cruise speed / 400 KTAS Perhaps the most unusual part of the Avanti II experience for the pilot is the view outside. It just so happens to be one of the most unusual looking ones too. We exited left at the end, and Lorenzo cleaned the aircraft up as I got my last chance to handle the Avanti Evo while we taxied back toward the ramp. Unlike what I think of as a canard, in the Avanti the elevator is back on the tail and the ailerons are on the trailing edge of the wing, along with some very serious flaps, which are designed to deploy slowly so as not to cause a dramatic pitch change they succeed at that, by the way. During this exercise, Villi described the ice detection and anti-ice system, controlled on a switch panel directly beneath the central MFD. I know if they fold up its going to be a fiasco as technically we each own a piece of these airplanes so we have a bunch of partners that we don't even know. In the Flint incident, LISTEN TO THE ATC tapes! Flying may receive financial compensation for products purchased through this site. Because there is no overhead panel, I had sufficient head room to allow me to clumsily maneuver myself into position. If not, we hope that you find safe, efficient, and cost-effective travel options in the future. Fastest Turboprop The problem is that management is a little delusional about the extent of the problem here. Villi led a thorough guided tour of the outside of the airplane and explained all of its many unique features. Its also remarkably wide for an airplane of its size. We have graduates from Embry-Riddle, Purdue, UND, Parks College, etc., some of the most respected aviation schools in the world. In the process it doesnt hurt one bit that the Avanti II just so happens to be one of the sleekest and most beautiful airplanes ever built. AOPA Members DO more LEARN more SAVE more - Get MORE out of being a pilot -. The problem with the aft mounting is that the Avanti II has a very distinct exterior noise signature that is problematic while by all accounts the Avanti II is no noisier than other PT6-powered twins. The original $5.00 stock traded at .11 cents today, a loss of 98% of its value. https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/business-aviation/2012-10-23/avantair-grounds-entire-fleet-safety-checks, It was ground the fleet for inspection or get shutdown my the FAA. Where did you get this press release? So last saturday I was scheduled to fly from Dallas to Las Vegas at noon. Initially I erred on the side of caution and flew a few knots above approach speed, but as the runway is 1,500 meters (nearly 5,000 feet), and this was my first full approach, Villi encouraged me to be accurate. They have made a challenging job fun and did their best to service our Owners and fellow employees. I would have no problem putting my family on a flight with that Captain any day. Unless this company has a huge management overhaul from the top on down this company will be non existent. When the crew explained that MYF was below approach minimus due to the CAT B limitation, the owner used abusive language and accused them of lying. But it was not his fault that it. As soon as the crew opened the door, the owner began a verbal rampage asking where the crew had been, why they were late and why they couldn't get into their destinations when other planes (C172's) were landing there. I call it a three-surface design, with forward wing, main wing and tail. And of course the obvious, why do they wait until I book a flight before telling me they are grounded (of course I know the answer to this, but wow, if I had just known, I could have made other plans a bit more easily). If range is the mission, getting the Avanti up to FL410 and cruising about 300 KTAS will yield a near-1,500 nautical mile range while still cruising as fast as the competition. The windshield is deep and sharply raked back, which along with the ventral delta fins, perhaps alludes to the shared Learjet origin from the 1980s. He placed his left foot at the base of the carpet behind the central instrument panel and stepped forward with his right, placing his foot inboard of the control column and gracefully followed with his left. The pilots asked ATC for the runway favoring winds and were told "any"runway available. Of course, with higher operating weights you wont be able to carry as much fuel or, hence, get as much range, though the truth is that most flights in a 400-knot airplane are less than 1,000 nm anyway, and with a thousand-mile range as the target, you can liberally load the P.180. The P180s have a lot of maintenance issues because they are flown to airliner annual times when the planes were only made for a few hundred hours a year with private owners. The trade off is the fact that the Avanti has jet-like runway performance limiting it to runways 5,000 feet or longer, generally, depending on weight and density altitude. Landing the P.180, as Id heard previously, is interesting in that the attitude is very flat. So to Don, you dont happen to live in Vegas do you? Its a hard transition for a pilot coming back to PT6s after having flown modern fadec turbofans from Williams and, yes, from Pratt & Whitney. Have been looking everywhere for these. Rockwell Collins Pro Line 21 avionics suite also debuted in the Avanti II. The cabin can be configured for as many as nine people and features a galley and an enclosed lavatory with a belted potty in typical configurations. Piaggio can do it, too. This is a place worth fighting for and we will hope for the best. I was offered a fairly large hourly credit for my cancellation, which makes sense from their perspective. Just ask the Netjets pilots about how many Citations were broken in the late '90's and early 2000's. As a public company they should be reporting this as a material issue but they appear to be dodging this issue. Slightly heavy control forces in roll assisted me in flying this accurately. The Nov. 16, 2011 engine failure and emergency landing at Flint, MI and veering off the runway and flipping on its back (all 4 occupants suffered minor injuries) shows pilot poor skills for sure and serious concern about engine maintenance. The owners got into another Piaggio and flew again. RMR, if you are in Vegas, have you looked at AirSprint as an alternative? Don. http://aerossurance.com/safety-management/guilty-plea-obstructing-ntsb/, Passenger - Non-Scheduled/charter/Air Taxi, Updated [Time, Damage, Category, Investigating agency], Updated [Time, Departure airport, Destination airport, Source, Narrative], Updated [Time, Other fatalities, Departure airport, Destination airport, Source, Narrative], Updated [Other fatalities, Source, Embed code, Narrative]. Mandarin.. Advertising of any kind is not allowed in our comments section. I didnt alter it in any way I just cut and pasted what they sent me. At that level we were seeing 380 knots or Mach 0.664 on 600 pounds of jet-A per hour, not per side but total. And while I have spoken mainly about our pilots, I would like to commend my fellow employees, especially maintenance, in the other departments. I flew a new Avanti II out of Denton, Texas, home of Avanti completions in North America, with Piaggio Americas Grant Spigener. The co-pilot was not fired. But it was not his fault that it. With the hammer down and in the low 30s, Avanti IIs can hit 400 KTAS on 800 pounds per hour. WebAt approximately the same time, the Piaggio P.180 received a traffic advisory. Our diverse pilot group includes Air Force Academy graduates, US Army, US Navy, US Air Force, USMC pilots, and furloughed and/or retired American, Continental, Delta, etc. Taxi steering was selected on the column switch, and the airplane moved easily at our ramp weight of 10,800 pounds. At one point, Avantair had 57 P180s in its fleet. pilots. Let me be clear here and confirm that they are just rumors. View our Piaggio P.180 Avanti II photo gallery. : EASA.A.059 Issue: 07 Date: 11 October 2012 1. a) Type P.180 b) Variant Avanti 2. departed the aircraft. Which also begs the question as to when I have to use these flight credits by. 79 dated 17 Answer that yourself, but I'm sure that Mandarin would never miss such a thing with yelling passengers, taxiing aircraft, moving tugs, stress, noise, etc.. Luckily it was 2007 and we sold it just before the crash. Avantair has retained safety expert Nick Sabatini to oversee the project. The use of alloys instead of composites was a purposeful choice for Piaggio Aero, which certified the airplane more than 20 years ago at a time when there were few successful composite models and sheet metal seemed to augur a shorter approval program than plastics did. Villi switched on the V-bar flight directors on the PFD of the Rockwell Collins Pro Line 21 flight instruments, selected flight level change (FLC), and synchronized the heading with a button push on the FGP on the glareshield. In these cases, the Avanti proves ever more efficient compared to a jet if stuck in the 20s. The idea behind the Avanti has always been remarkably simple and completely outside the turboprop box. I know from my perspective, it was going to be close as to whether I was going to use my minimum hours this year (even after being able to roll some to next year). Don. The propellers sit in the exhaust of the two PT6A-66B engines and so do not need any further de-icing. WebThats why the Piaggio Aero P180 Avanti II is a green aircraft. On Saturday, fractional provider Avantair grounded its entire fleet of about 60 Piaggio Avanti twin turboprops to conduct a comprehensive examination of all At FL350, the speed remained stable even with back pressure applied to maintain altitude, and the aircraft was easy to control. Willing to purchase them from you. Flying the Avanti II It has delivered nearly 200. WebAs the factory-authorized training provider for Piaggio Aeros P.180 Avanti, Avanti II and Avanti EVO models, FlightSafety has created in-depth, type-specific programs to ensure that pilots and maintenance technicians of Piaggio Aero aircraft are equipped with the latest in safety training. Taking back control as we lined up, Villi held the brakes using the top of the toe pedals, advanced the power levers to 97.6 percent, and we accelerated briskly to 120 knots. I got an email at about 10:30 last night saying cancelled for the reasons stated in this email, with the same offer to find me a charter ay my expense. He sighted the runway at 50 ft above the missed approach point. Anyone have any or both of these checkists? During the takeoff roll, the left elevator departed the airplane and was found off the side of the runway 3 days later. We rotated at 105 knots, which is pretty darned fast for a turboprop, using about half of the available 7,000 feet at KDTO. I still recall going into one of the back hangers and see MX personal taking parts off of other P180s and putting them on other P180s. The twin turboprop Avanti EVO is the third-generation version of the Piaggios Avanti P.180, a model introduced in the 1990s that led to the creation of Piaggio Aero Industries. 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